WORLD'S SMARTEST - ARE THEY AS SMART AS THEY CLAIM ?

[♔Chello]

WORLD'S SMARTEST - ARE THEY AS SMART AS THEY CLAIM ?

NO.
What is the IQ of the world's smartest ?
The most talked about in recent times, Stephen Hawkins, had 170.
Albert Einstein, known as the smartest of all time, was "only" 160.
Nicola Tesla had 185.

The world's best chess player, Magnus Carlsen, is ranked 190, but says himself that he has never taken an IQ test. So on what basis can anyone suggest 190 ?
Many of the world's smartest people have never taken an IQ test, and thus all numbers-based statements become pure hypotheses.

Then there is an interesting case; Rick Rosner, with 192. The interesting thing here is that he has taken over 30 IQ tests, which makes the number extremely unreliable.

Why ?
Because repeated IQ tests increase your understanding of how the tests work and increase your chance of associating the questions with previous questions and their answers.

I took several IQ tests when I was in my 30s, and the first gave an IQ of about 130.
Several tests later, I took the MENSA test, which gave a significantly higher number.
If I had continued, the number would have been higher, which is the point of everything I've said so far - it is possible to "cheat" yourself to a higher score by taking more tests in a row.

Another thing is what is used as a basis for calculating IQ, and memory is (strangely enough) ranked high.
Yes; funny - if I had taken an IQ test today, I would have scored much higher on memory-based questions, because I have been working on improving my memory for 30 years.

However, there is one relationship that more than any other gives a picture of your actual intelligence, and that is your personal development.

When did you do what ?
What have you actually achieved ?

When I was 3-4 years old, I had some understanding of numbers and letters.
At age 8, I was a year ahead of my class in maths (I guessed the procedure, and was often right).
At the same time, I created my own betting systems, and often won smaller cash prizes.
I also solved my father's code crossword, which he couldn't solve.
At the age of 12, I was a cartoonist for the school newspaper.
15 years old I learned to play the accordion without any help.

It is widely agreed that a person's earliest years tell a lot about their actual IQ.

In the period when I was 30-40 years old, I took a certificate for car, most of the modules for the Data Card, vocational certificate as a carpenter - without reading before the exam - and passed. I have taken many courses, and never read before the exam, but still had an average of over 5 out of 6.

All this last was possible because I had studied techniques (study techniques) to remember; it had nothing to do with IQ in my opinion.

Many believe that one's IQ is fixed at birth and cannot be improved, but this conflicts with how the IQ tests are composed - it is entirely possible to improve your IQ (as it is defined) by repeated tests over time.
In any case, this entails a certain correctness, as my mother always said that "to become smart, you have to learn to use your head - think for yourself, and don't accept the answers others give you".

I have never doubted that the person with the highest IQ is the one who can think for himself and find answers that there are no preconditions for finding.

[✪BogdanH]

I never did an IQ test.
In general I totally agree with Chello. Especially when I hear IQ being "estimated" for people that never actually did IQ test. I mean, seriously? Who can estimate IQ and on what basis?

And who actually created IQ test? Logically, it can only be created by the smartest person on the planet (a person with highest IQ). But how can that person know that (s)he is the smartest? It's something that can only be proven by someone that's even smarter. But in that case, previously the smartest person isn't entitled to create IQ test at all. You get the point, right?

I think that intelligence is much too complex.. I would say, abstract.. and so it can't be "measured". Is just my opinion -maybe I should do IQ test?  

Bogdan

[♔Chello]

I never did an IQ test.
In general I totally agree with Chello. Especially when I hear IQ being "estimated" for people that never actually did IQ test. I mean, seriously? Who can estimate IQ and on what basis?

And who actually created IQ test? Logically, it can only be created by the smartest person on the planet (a person with highest IQ). But how can that person know that (s)he is the smartest? It's something that can only be proven by someone that's even smarter. But in that case, previously the smartest person isn't entitled to create IQ test at all. You get the point, right?

I think that intelligence is much too complex.. I would say, abstract.. and so it can't be "measured". Is just my opinion -maybe I should do IQ test?  

Bogdan

Bogdan
Thanks for your intelligent comment.

An IQ test will never be better (smarter..?) than the developer.

And who and what is the developer ?
Probably a person with a high academic education.
I have known many such in my time within Norwegian ministries, and had many discussions about everything between heaven and earth.

My opinion ?
Many of these do not fit in with most people, as they have lost the ability to communicate with ordinary, civilized people, and use a language that is incomprehensible to everyone but themselves.
The way they communicate is a deliberate one; to shut out ordinary people from understanding what they are talking about - something that has always been used.

For this reason, I have also spent a lot of time studying terminology, which is the language within each subject group.
When I studied the terminology within political science and law, I gained a good understanding of the words they used among themselves.
They have a habit of using their own words and expressions that can only be found in their terminology to shut us "ignorant" out.

The only reason I took my first IQ test in 1994 was because the employment office required it, as I had no formal education at the time.
When they afterwards asked for the result, IQ was never mentioned again, when I stated that I had a diploma from MENSA.



We musicians are creative people, and precisely creativity is one of the things that shows our actual IQ.
So maybe we are above average..?

[♬OrganPlayer]

I think for me he will be low  very low i am afraid for .

My memeory IQ was never so good always problems with studys  only music but that was also hard for me to learn

I am happy my childeren have a good iQ memory because in this time it is inportend 

But ok i think low IQ for me what can i do about it really noting

[♔Chello]

I think for me he will be low  very low i am afraid for .

My memeory IQ was never so good always problems with studys  only music but that was also hard for me to learn

I am happy my childeren have a good iQ memory because in this time it is inportend 

But ok i think low IQ for me what can i do about it really noting

According to my memory (lol) I've answered you on this before, but I'll do it again:

Read a bit about study technique, do some of the suggested exercises, and I can almost guarantee you that your memory will improve significantly, as mine has.

[♬OrganPlayer]

I think Not Mr Chello . when i read a page and i want go to the next page i already forget everything in page one


That is also why i never know the insite of a synthesizer

I was reading about the korg wavestate Mr Qui make a serie of Tutorials he explane everything about this synth


I really not can remember what i have see on the video

I think my harddrive is to full when i want learn something i forget it , what ever i do Mr Chello i forget it like a harddrive full is full


I also not like it but it is the true the same as try to play out of my head that is impossible for me


i Need my Notation  almost always  when i play with no notation i play som music like scales  & improvise


But covers i really can not play covers out of my head

i have try but it not works

I think my hard drive is to full hahahahah

somebody like you and MR Qui have a perfeckt IQ and a empty hardrive with a lot of free space

[✪Nickt]

The way I see it is that are different types of intelligence if thats the right word;

There is academic intelligence and aptitude based intelligence.

For example, I grew up moving round the world attending 9 schools ( 5 primary and 4 secondary) between to age of 5 and 15. I left school at 15 ( in the UK as you could then) and spent the next 27 years in the military where I acquired the educational qualifications I should have got whilst at school.

I ended up as a military helicopter pilot and QHI (helicopter flying instructor) which was more about having the apptitude to learn to fly and being able to solve real world three dimensional problems in a very fast moving and diverse environment. 

Upon leaving the military I worked in defence research with a lot of very clever academics who were amazing people and brilliant in their own sphere of knowledge but when it came to simple day to day stuff some of them were out of their depth and could not cope. Many were also very poor at organisational skills but put them in a lab and they were in their element.

I think its fair to say the world needs all sorts of people be they very clever or not.

[♔Chello]

The way I see it is that are different types of intelligence if thats the right word;

There is academic intelligence and aptitude based intelligence.

Thank you for your in-depth comment, which places the focus in a better way.
I tend to call this theoretical IQ and practical IQ - most theorists lack practical sense, and vice versa.
You give a very good picture of what IQ actually is.

It is rare for a person to score high on both, and I have known only a few people who manage this.
Your job requires such a mixed IQ to a high degree, and it is this type of person who really solves problems in practice - in all areas.

The IQ tests I have seen have paid little attention to practical IQ, but favored theoretical IQ.
I also remember very well that the military education system is far better than civilian; how easy it was to understand everything that was demonstrated (I was in the coast guard for 15 months as an artilleryman).

As you say, IQ can be divided into many areas, and there is always one of these in which we all score higher than others.

Most of us thus have a much higher IQ in one or more areas than what a test shows, something the existing education system is not very good at capturing - apart from the military, which quite immediately starts looking for special areas in the individual.

The civilian education system has everything to learn from military systems.
Many thanks for your enlightening comment.