THEY COULD DO IT BEFORE TOO

[♔Chello]

THEY COULD DO IT BEFORE TOO

In 2008 I bought a Tyros1, from which this description is taken.
Back then I had little knowledge of more advanced functions, and never discovered this feature.
The Pa5X could well have had similar functions.


   

[⚖musicalmemoriesuk]

Funny you should say that when first got my Korg Pa50sd I knew what effects was what but had no idea how to edit them or change parameters. Not until I got my Pa700 did I realise how they worked and some looking back at the manual. 

Which comes back to with arrangers we have had in the past and no longer have. Yes the sounds and other technology advances. But if the knowledge you have now was applied to an arranger you had in the past would your opinion of how good / bad it was change ?

And would it actually transform how the arranger sounds / performs?

[♔Chello]

Funny you should say that when first got my Korg Pa50sd I knew what effects was what but had no idea how to edit them or change parameters. Not until I got my Pa700 did I realise how they worked and some looking back at the manual. 

Which comes back to with arrangers we have had in the past and no longer have. Yes the sounds and other technology advances. But if the knowledge you have now was applied to an arranger you had in the past would your opinion of how good / bad it was change ?

And would it actually transform how the arranger sounds / performs?

Musical Memories
You and I agree on most things, and you more than anyone else have intuitively understood my hypotheses about sound, and actually worked on them further.

From time to time I read through manuals on keyboards I've had in the past, and every time I find that I've overlooked important functions because I previously didn't understand how to use them.

It seems that keyboards have undergone the same negative development as software; everything becomes more and more complex.
I remember well that I had the best Steinberg programs, and how easy they were to understand and use - without having to read manuals.
The same applied to programs such as AutoCad, Corel and Photoshop and almost all programs - they were all intuitive and easy to use.

With what I know today, my assessment of previous keyboards would have been very different.

And all of these features I've overlooked would have had a dramatic impact on how they would have sounded.

You've always been steadfast in your assertions that our keyboards don't get better than what we're capable of making them, and that older technology isn't an obstacle.
You are absolutely right.

[⚖musicalmemoriesuk]

Take a look at it with you being an artist and a pencil drawing most people would think you can only get a black and white picture.

But with the correct knowledge you can turn the black and white picture into a picture with many shades of gray, black and white just like a gradient fill in a paint package.

But how do you get that knowledge if no one tells you ?

Before the days of the internet in my case many trips to the library or book shops.

I’ve always had a thirst for knowledge even as a young child I wasn’t interested in story or comic books, I wanted reference books or an encyclopaedia to read.

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But great though the Pa5x is and all its advances as possibly with the Genos two, could you with the right knowledge make an older arranger sound on a par with it ?

[♔Chello]

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But great though the Pa5x is and all its advances as possibly with the Genos two, could you with the right knowledge make an older arranger sound on a par with it ?

Good question.

I am actually convinced that the T1 is better than both the Pa5X and Genos on some rhythms such as jazz and blues as well as simple ballads.

Other more complex rhythms may also work quite well, but will (probably) require a lot of work for this to be fulfilled.
Lately I've been listening a lot to a particular recording I did with the T1, and it strikes me that the drums are better than anything else I've played on.

And here comes the bombshell:
I have bought a T1, which I will receive in a couple of weeks.
Then we'll see if I'm right or not.

[⚖whitecolin1]

Always liked the T1 was a great keyboard 
Your comment that some features are poorly described or are omitted from the manual seems true of most keyboards.
Korg certainly haven`t gone into any detail regarding editing drums f/x etc etc
Yamaha teasers have been very poor and the last showing a knob that enhances the style ,already exists on the current genos   wonder how many people knows that.

[⚖musicalmemoriesuk]

It’s ok giving people the extra tools but if they don’t know how to use them or have no intention of using them is their any point in upgrading. It’s also clear that once you have purchased your arranger that’s it your on your own. The companies have no intention of telling you how to get the best out of its features. As Colin mentioned before about the age group of the majority of arrangers players just want to sit and play. 

On the Organ Circuit in the uk there is someone called Tony Stace and excellent player he uses and a Yamaha HX1 organ he actually collects them, but for an instrument of that age he makes it sing because he knows it inside and out.