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COMING SOON: PROOF OF POOR MIXING AND ITS CONSEQUENCES
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COMING SOON: PROOF OF POOR MIXING AND ITS CONSEQUENCES

After editing Pa5X's internal styles up to several times over almost 18 months, I have experienced the consequences of what I call bad and incorrect mixing:
What are the consequences of most styles having an average level of 110 ?

If, for example, you add Reverb Room and Stereo Compressor only to drums and perc, this has negative consequences for ALL other tracks in the form of many dB reduction in their levels.
These must either be adjusted up by a corresponding number of dB, or drums and perc reduced by a corresponding amount.
If only it had been THAT easy.

The level of all other tracks apart from drums and perc is anyway many dB lower than the original, although the level for drums and perc is reduced.
This means that these must be adjusted up from 110, and even if they are adjusted to max level 127, this is often not enough  - there is not enough headroom.
Moreover, such levels should be avoided, as the danger of distortion is imminent and indeed - this distortion is actually heard clearly through my PA system.

The only professional correct way to solve this is to reduce the average level of ALL tracks to 70 to 80 (or maybe as far down as 63, which is the middle value).
This involves several months of work for 8 hours each day.

I am preparing detailed evidence for these claims, where I measure the number of dB reduction for each track, and take a screenshot of the highest result; both for original tracks and edited tracks.
Finally, all tracks are presented where the average levels have been reduced to 70 to 80, but where the output level is still the same as the original.

One can ask the following legitimate question:
Have responsible sound engineers at Korg previously worked at Yamaha ?
Because almost all of Yamaha's models since the Tyros4 have been mixed this way - the only exception I know of is the DGX-670, which is properly mixed professionally; everyone else is badly mixed, probably also Genos2, because Genos1 was one of the worst.
Shared knowledge provides increased knowledge
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KEYBOARDS, SYNTHS & MODULES I HAVE HAD AND HAVE
Casio CTK 811-ex ||| Roland EXR-7 76 ||| Yamaha DGX-620 ||| Yamaha PSR-550 ||| Yamaha PSR-S700 ||| Korg Pa800 ||| Korg Pa3X 61 ||| Deebach XMS-Pro ||| Ketron Ajamsonic ||| Casio WK-7500 ||| Yamaha Tyros5 61 ||| vArranger ||| Ketron Audya5 61 ||| Yamaha PSR S950 ||| Solton X8 Chromatic ||| Yamaha Tyros4 10th Anniversary ||| Korg Pa4X 61 ||| Roland BK-7m ||| Technics KN-6000 ||| Technics KN-7000 ||| Roli Seaboard RISE 49 ||| Deebach MAX Plus ||| Yamaha Genos ||| Korg Pa700 ||| Korg Kronos2 73 ||| Tyros4 61 ||| Deebach BlackBox ||| Korg Pa2X Pro ||| Yamaha A3000 ||| Ghenos Plus ||| Medeli AKX10 ||| Korg Nautilus 73 ||| Yamaha DGX-670 ||| Korg Krome EX-88 ||| Korg OASYS 76 Sondius-XG version ||| Korg Pa5X 76 (Pythagoras Tuned) ||| Yamaha Tyros1 ||| Ketron Audya 76 (Own developed OS) ||| Yamaha PSR-3000 ||| Yamaha 9000 Pro ||| Yamaha MODX M8 ||| Korg Grandstage X ||| Roland Juno-D7 ||| Korg Kronos 1 73 (Pythagoras Tuned)

MY PA EQUIPMENT NON-ACTIVE AND ACTIVE
Aune S6 32 bit/384 kb DAC ||| Topping USB Isolator ||| MOTU 32 bit Audio Interface ||| TEYUN Q26 32 bit/384 kb Audio Interface ||| FM Acoustics FM 300A Power amp ||| FM Acoustics FM 255 Resolution Series Pre amp ||| MBL 6010 Pre Amp ||| STAX SR-L300 (Lambda) electrostatic headphones with STAX SRM-252S Amplifier ||| beyerdynamic T70 headphones (without pads) ||| Baffle horns equipped with Seas Exotic 8" fullrange units ||| JBL horns with Compression Planar membranes ||| Fountek NeoPro 5i (Special Edition) ribbon tweeters with Compression Planar membranes ||| Hexagonal subwoofer with 12 pieces Push&Pull coupled Seas Prestige 8" units, 1 item 10" slave unit and built-in XTZ power amplifiers & Cambridge Azur 640A as pre amplifier ||| Yamaha HS-5 active monitors connected to all keyboards
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I’m seriously coming to the conclusion that arranger keyboards of today are much like the early home computers of the 80s which some were given to you in kit form and it was down to you to build them. But then of course there wasn’t really access to the internet, so the only information was in book form or magazines.

This is definitely the case with the arrangers of today you are given the kit (The Arranger itself) and everything else once you set it up is down to you the end user.
General Music WK4, Technics Kn5000, Solton Ms60, Yamaha Psr K1, Tyros 4, Korg Pa50sd and Korg Pa700, Korg Pa5x Paas Mk2 Speaker and Yamaha Genos
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(01-28-2024, 02:17 PM)musicalmemoriesuk Wrote: I’m seriously coming to the conclusion that arranger keyboards of today are much like the early home computers of the 80s which some were given to you in kit form and it was down to you to build them. But then of course there wasn’t really access to the internet, so the only information was in book form or magazines.

This is definitely the case with the arrangers of today you are given the kit (The Arranger itself) and everything else once you set it up is down to you the end user.


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I see the similarity with your comparison.
Everything is mixed worse than it was before; but the tendency has escalated in the last 10-15 years.
Shared knowledge provides increased knowledge
If we all share everything we have, we all have everything
Every theory is only a hypothesis until it is practically proven

KEYBOARDS, SYNTHS & MODULES I HAVE HAD AND HAVE
Casio CTK 811-ex ||| Roland EXR-7 76 ||| Yamaha DGX-620 ||| Yamaha PSR-550 ||| Yamaha PSR-S700 ||| Korg Pa800 ||| Korg Pa3X 61 ||| Deebach XMS-Pro ||| Ketron Ajamsonic ||| Casio WK-7500 ||| Yamaha Tyros5 61 ||| vArranger ||| Ketron Audya5 61 ||| Yamaha PSR S950 ||| Solton X8 Chromatic ||| Yamaha Tyros4 10th Anniversary ||| Korg Pa4X 61 ||| Roland BK-7m ||| Technics KN-6000 ||| Technics KN-7000 ||| Roli Seaboard RISE 49 ||| Deebach MAX Plus ||| Yamaha Genos ||| Korg Pa700 ||| Korg Kronos2 73 ||| Tyros4 61 ||| Deebach BlackBox ||| Korg Pa2X Pro ||| Yamaha A3000 ||| Ghenos Plus ||| Medeli AKX10 ||| Korg Nautilus 73 ||| Yamaha DGX-670 ||| Korg Krome EX-88 ||| Korg OASYS 76 Sondius-XG version ||| Korg Pa5X 76 (Pythagoras Tuned) ||| Yamaha Tyros1 ||| Ketron Audya 76 (Own developed OS) ||| Yamaha PSR-3000 ||| Yamaha 9000 Pro ||| Yamaha MODX M8 ||| Korg Grandstage X ||| Roland Juno-D7 ||| Korg Kronos 1 73 (Pythagoras Tuned)

MY PA EQUIPMENT NON-ACTIVE AND ACTIVE
Aune S6 32 bit/384 kb DAC ||| Topping USB Isolator ||| MOTU 32 bit Audio Interface ||| TEYUN Q26 32 bit/384 kb Audio Interface ||| FM Acoustics FM 300A Power amp ||| FM Acoustics FM 255 Resolution Series Pre amp ||| MBL 6010 Pre Amp ||| STAX SR-L300 (Lambda) electrostatic headphones with STAX SRM-252S Amplifier ||| beyerdynamic T70 headphones (without pads) ||| Baffle horns equipped with Seas Exotic 8" fullrange units ||| JBL horns with Compression Planar membranes ||| Fountek NeoPro 5i (Special Edition) ribbon tweeters with Compression Planar membranes ||| Hexagonal subwoofer with 12 pieces Push&Pull coupled Seas Prestige 8" units, 1 item 10" slave unit and built-in XTZ power amplifiers & Cambridge Azur 640A as pre amplifier ||| Yamaha HS-5 active monitors connected to all keyboards
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