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Can the Pa5x be upgraded to use the new MIDI 2.0 protocol ?
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Can the Pa5x be upgraded to use the new MIDI 2.0 protocol ?

   


I asked AI this question, and got the following answer:
The Pa5X, a Korg keyboard, is not designed to be upgraded to use the new MIDI 2.0 protocol through a software update. Instead, MIDI 2.0 functionality would likely require a complete hardware upgrade or a new device.

This could mean that a device might be created that, when connected to the Pa5X, allows the use of the MIDI 2.0 protocol..?
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  • welsh wizard (05-17-2025)
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hi Chello,
Well, at least in this case, AI is right.
Quote:This could mean that a device might be created that, when connected to the Pa5X, allows the use of the MIDI 2.0 protocol..?
No, that's not possible. That would be similar as if we would connect two loudspeakers to mono amplifier: the result is still mono.
In short, keyboard (hardware & software) must meet MIDI 2.0 specs.
I'm not that familiar with MIDI 2.0 into detail, but among other things, it supports almost unlimited number of midi tracks. For that to handle, very low latency hardware is required. But there's probably more than that... i.e. to make use of (say) 64 tracks, probably higher polyphony number is required, etc. And finally, OS must handle all that.

Greetings,
Bogdan
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(05-17-2025, 07:38 PM)BogdanH Wrote: hi Chello,
Well, at least in this case, AI is right.
Quote:This could mean that a device might be created that, when connected to the Pa5X, allows the use of the MIDI 2.0 protocol..?
No, that's not possible. That would be similar as if we would connect two loudspeakers to mono amplifier: the result is still mono.
In short, keyboard (hardware & software) must meet MIDI 2.0 specs.
I'm not that familiar with MIDI 2.0 into detail, but among other things, it supports almost unlimited number of midi tracks. For that to handle, very low latency hardware is required. But there's probably more than that... i.e. to make use of (say) 64 tracks, probably higher polyphony number is required, etc. And finally, OS must handle all that.

Greetings,
Bogdan


✪BogdanH

Thanks for your comment.

You are wrong, by the way:
What you are claiming is almost like saying that it is not possible to convert XG to GM, because XG contains more parameters which are also extended.
Some information will be omitted, but it will work.


It is possible to upgrade an arranger to handle the MIDI 2.0 protocol using a specially developed separate device. This can be achieved through a few different methods:

1: Dedicated MIDI 2.0 Translator/Converter:
A device can be designed specifically to bridge the gap between MIDI 1.0 (what most arrangers currently use) and MIDI 2.0.
This device would act as a translator, converting MIDI 1.0 messages from the arranger to MIDI 2.0 format, and vice-versa.
This allows the arranger to communicate with MIDI 2.0-enabled devices or systems.

2: Bluetooth MIDI may also be used to bridge the gap between MIDI 1.0 and MIDI 2.0, according to CME.
Shared knowledge provides increased knowledge
Do the least possible and achieve the most possible
If we all share everything we have, we all have everything
Every theory is only a hypothesis until it is practically proven

KEYBOARDS, SYNTHS & MODULES I HAVE HAD AND HAVE
Casio CTK 811-ex ||| Roland EXR-7 76 ||| Yamaha DGX-620 ||| Yamaha PSR-550 ||| Yamaha PSR-S700 ||| Korg Pa800 ||| Korg Pa3X 61 ||| Deebach XMS-Pro ||| Ketron Ajamsonic ||| Casio WK-7500 ||| Yamaha Tyros5 61 ||| vArranger ||| Ketron Audya5 61 ||| Yamaha PSR S950 ||| Solton X8 Chromatic ||| Yamaha Tyros4 10th Anniversary ||| Korg Pa4X 61 ||| Roland BK-7m ||| Technics KN-6000 ||| Technics KN-7000 ||| Roli Seaboard RISE 49 ||| Deebach MAX Plus ||| Yamaha Genos ||| Korg Pa700 ||| Korg Kronos2 73 ||| Tyros4 61 ||| Deebach BlackBox ||| Korg Pa2X Pro ||| Yamaha A3000 ||| Ghenos Plus ||| Medeli AKX10 ||| Korg Nautilus 73 ||| Yamaha DGX-670 ||| Korg Krome EX-88 ||| Korg OASYS 76 Sondius-XG version ||| Korg Pa5X 76 (Pythagoras Tuned) ||| Yamaha Tyros1 ||| Ketron Audya 76 (Own developed OS) ||| Yamaha PSR-3000 ||| Yamaha 9000 Pro ||| Yamaha MODX M8 ||| Korg Grandstage X ||| Roland Juno-D7 ||| Korg Kronos 1 73 (Pythagoras Tuned)

MY PA EQUIPMENT NON-ACTIVE AND ACTIVE
Aune S6 32 bit/384 kb DAC ||| Topping USB Isolator ||| MOTU 32 bit Audio Interface ||| TEYUN Q26 32 bit/384 kb Audio Interface ||| FM Acoustics FM 300A Power amp ||| FM Acoustics FM 255 Resolution Series Pre amp ||| STAX SR-L300 (Lambda) electrostatic headphones with STAX SRM-252S Amplifier ||| beyerdynamic T70 headphones (without pads) ||| Baffle horns equipped with Seas Exotic 8" fullrange units ||| JBL horns with Compression Planar membranes ||| Fountek NeoPro 5i (Special Edition) ribbon tweeters with Compression Planar membranes ||| Audiotek W460S Bullet tweeters ||| Hexagonal subwoofer with 12 pieces Push&Pull coupled Seas Prestige 8" units, 1 item 10" slave unit and built-in XTZ power amplifiers & Cambridge Azur 640A as pre amplifier ||| Yamaha HS-5 active monitors connected to MBL 6010 Pre Amp to all keyboards
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Your question was:
Quote:...when connected to the Pa5X, allows the use of the MIDI 2.0 protocol..?
MIDI 2.0 is backward compatible. That means, one can connect MIDI 2.0 device to Pa5X, however communication protocol will be MIDI 1.0 (because Pa5X doesn't understand MIDI 2.0). In short, to take advantage of MIDI 2.0, both devices must support it.

Greetings,
Bogdan
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(05-17-2025, 09:47 PM)BogdanH Wrote: Your question was:
Quote:...when connected to the Pa5X, allows the use of the MIDI 2.0 protocol..?
MIDI 2.0 is backward compatible. That means, one can connect MIDI 2.0 device to Pa5X, however communication protocol will be MIDI 1.0 (because Pa5X doesn't understand MIDI 2.0). In short, to take advantage of MIDI 2.0, both devices must support it.

Greetings,
Bogdan


✪BogdanH


You are wrong again.
The Pa5X will understand MIDI 2.0 with a Translator/Converter device for this connected, and MIDI 1.0 will get max extended parameters.

Of course the Pa5X will never be able to follow up on MIDI 2.0's extended parameters, but it will be able to perform higher than what it does without, because the Pa5X has a higher capacity than any other arranger on the market (Linux based OS).
Shared knowledge provides increased knowledge
Do the least possible and achieve the most possible
If we all share everything we have, we all have everything
Every theory is only a hypothesis until it is practically proven

KEYBOARDS, SYNTHS & MODULES I HAVE HAD AND HAVE
Casio CTK 811-ex ||| Roland EXR-7 76 ||| Yamaha DGX-620 ||| Yamaha PSR-550 ||| Yamaha PSR-S700 ||| Korg Pa800 ||| Korg Pa3X 61 ||| Deebach XMS-Pro ||| Ketron Ajamsonic ||| Casio WK-7500 ||| Yamaha Tyros5 61 ||| vArranger ||| Ketron Audya5 61 ||| Yamaha PSR S950 ||| Solton X8 Chromatic ||| Yamaha Tyros4 10th Anniversary ||| Korg Pa4X 61 ||| Roland BK-7m ||| Technics KN-6000 ||| Technics KN-7000 ||| Roli Seaboard RISE 49 ||| Deebach MAX Plus ||| Yamaha Genos ||| Korg Pa700 ||| Korg Kronos2 73 ||| Tyros4 61 ||| Deebach BlackBox ||| Korg Pa2X Pro ||| Yamaha A3000 ||| Ghenos Plus ||| Medeli AKX10 ||| Korg Nautilus 73 ||| Yamaha DGX-670 ||| Korg Krome EX-88 ||| Korg OASYS 76 Sondius-XG version ||| Korg Pa5X 76 (Pythagoras Tuned) ||| Yamaha Tyros1 ||| Ketron Audya 76 (Own developed OS) ||| Yamaha PSR-3000 ||| Yamaha 9000 Pro ||| Yamaha MODX M8 ||| Korg Grandstage X ||| Roland Juno-D7 ||| Korg Kronos 1 73 (Pythagoras Tuned)

MY PA EQUIPMENT NON-ACTIVE AND ACTIVE
Aune S6 32 bit/384 kb DAC ||| Topping USB Isolator ||| MOTU 32 bit Audio Interface ||| TEYUN Q26 32 bit/384 kb Audio Interface ||| FM Acoustics FM 300A Power amp ||| FM Acoustics FM 255 Resolution Series Pre amp ||| STAX SR-L300 (Lambda) electrostatic headphones with STAX SRM-252S Amplifier ||| beyerdynamic T70 headphones (without pads) ||| Baffle horns equipped with Seas Exotic 8" fullrange units ||| JBL horns with Compression Planar membranes ||| Fountek NeoPro 5i (Special Edition) ribbon tweeters with Compression Planar membranes ||| Audiotek W460S Bullet tweeters ||| Hexagonal subwoofer with 12 pieces Push&Pull coupled Seas Prestige 8" units, 1 item 10" slave unit and built-in XTZ power amplifiers & Cambridge Azur 640A as pre amplifier ||| Yamaha HS-5 active monitors connected to MBL 6010 Pre Amp to all keyboards
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