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BEYERDYNAMIC VS STAX FOR STUDIO USE
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BEYERDYNAMIC VS STAX FOR STUDIO USE

Listening critically to pre-mixed music with a headset is quite different from doing the same by listening when mixing music from scratch.
The really big challenge becomes apparent when you add acoustics - what you hear in the headset doesn't match what you hear in the speakers.

Now I am in a very special situation, in that I use large horns as speakers - these reproduce the acoustics in a far more believable way than what conventional speakers do; no matter how expensive they may be.

I have now been mixing styles for months, and have used a beyerdynamic T70 headset, which has given very unreliable results as far as acoustics are concerned, which in turn has meant that everything had to be done several times before the sound image was roughly the same with the horns as with the headset.

However, the acoustic experience is very different with this headset and the horns, which simply means that the T70 is not good enough for studio use.
STAX Lambda should be better suited, as this is electrostatic and costs about three times as much (€900).

From now on, I will be doing all my mixing with the STAX headset, and I believe that the results will be far more stable and acoustically credible.

This article will thus be followed up with an after-comment that says something about the differences in using beyerdynamic T70 vs STAX Lambda.
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A VERY RARE EXPERIENCE

Hooking up Stax is a little different, because these are electrostatic; the sound must be processed through a separate amplifier to be amplified, and the sound is brought to the amplifier as a line signal.

However, I know that in some cases it can be done in a different way, by e.g. pick up the signal from the headset socket on the Pa5X.

Theoretically, this is the wrong way to do it, because the signal is amplified - something that can go well, but also not.

This is a trick I did years ago, when I wanted the subwoofer amp to be controlled by the main amp's volume - I pulled the signal from the headset output of the main amp.

I did the trick by studying the circuit of a Yamaha subwoofer amplifier, which originally took the signal from the main amplifier's speaker outputs.
By retrieving the signal from the main amplifier's headset output instead, the desired volume was controlled by the main amplifier's volume control, and only the power from the subwoofer amplifier was used.

Contrary to all theory, this also worked very well with the STAX headset; the dynamics in the bass area became noticeably greater, without any problems with distortion arising.

The STAX headset is undoubtedly more detailed and dynamic than the beyerdynamic headset, but the most interesting thing is that acoustics are also reproduced better; even small details are made clear.

But the big surprise is that even the STAX can't match my horn speakers, which mercilessly reveal distortion that can't be heard with the headset.

VERY SURPRISING.
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Aune S6 32 bit/384 kb DAC ||| Topping USB Isolator ||| MOTU 32 bit Audio Interface ||| TEYUN Q26 32 bit/384 kb Audio Interface ||| FM Acoustics FM 300A Power amp ||| FM Acoustics FM 255 Resolution Series Pre amp ||| STAX SR-L300 (Lambda) electrostatic headphones with STAX SRM-252S Amplifier ||| beyerdynamic T70 headphones (without pads) ||| Baffle horns equipped with Seas Exotic 8" fullrange units ||| JBL horns with Compression Planar membranes ||| Fountek NeoPro 5i (Special Edition) ribbon tweeters with Compression Planar membranes ||| Audiotek W460S Bullet tweeters ||| Hexagonal subwoofer with 12 pieces Push&Pull coupled Seas Prestige 8" units, 1 item 10" slave unit and built-in XTZ power amplifiers & Cambridge Azur 640A as pre amplifier ||| Yamaha HS-5 active monitors connected to MBL 6010 Pre Amp to all keyboards
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STAX MUST BE CONNECTED TO LINE OUT

After extensive testing at higher levels, it turned out that the headset's amplifier produced distortion as a result of the connection to the Pa5X's headset output.

I then tried to get the signal from the Pa5X's 1+2 and 3+4 LINE OUT, but did not get a signal, even though I routed the signal to these.

These Line Outs are useless anyway:
It is sent to the internal Insert FXs, but not to the Master FXs and the MaxxAudio FXs.
The MASTER VOLUME slider has no effect on it.

I therefore had to make a Y connection to LINE OUT L+R, and connect the headset together with the signal to the main amplifier.

This setup works just fine.
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KEYBOARDS, SYNTHS & MODULES I HAVE HAD AND HAVE
Casio CTK 811-ex ||| Roland EXR-7 76 ||| Yamaha DGX-620 ||| Yamaha PSR-550 ||| Yamaha PSR-S700 ||| Korg Pa800 ||| Korg Pa3X 61 ||| Deebach XMS-Pro ||| Ketron Ajamsonic ||| Casio WK-7500 ||| Yamaha Tyros5 61 ||| vArranger ||| Ketron Audya5 61 ||| Yamaha PSR S950 ||| Solton X8 Chromatic ||| Yamaha Tyros4 10th Anniversary ||| Korg Pa4X 61 ||| Roland BK-7m ||| Technics KN-6000 ||| Technics KN-7000 ||| Roli Seaboard RISE 49 ||| Deebach MAX Plus ||| Yamaha Genos ||| Korg Pa700 ||| Korg Kronos2 73 ||| Tyros4 61 ||| Deebach BlackBox ||| Korg Pa2X Pro ||| Yamaha A3000 ||| Ghenos Plus ||| Medeli AKX10 ||| Korg Nautilus 73 ||| Yamaha DGX-670 ||| Korg Krome EX-88 ||| Korg OASYS 76 Sondius-XG version ||| Korg Pa5X 76 (Pythagoras Tuned) ||| Yamaha Tyros1 ||| Ketron Audya 76 (Own developed OS) ||| Yamaha PSR-3000 ||| Yamaha 9000 Pro ||| Yamaha MODX M8 ||| Korg Grandstage X ||| Roland Juno-D7 ||| Korg Kronos 1 73 (Pythagoras Tuned)

MY PA EQUIPMENT NON-ACTIVE AND ACTIVE
Aune S6 32 bit/384 kb DAC ||| Topping USB Isolator ||| MOTU 32 bit Audio Interface ||| TEYUN Q26 32 bit/384 kb Audio Interface ||| FM Acoustics FM 300A Power amp ||| FM Acoustics FM 255 Resolution Series Pre amp ||| STAX SR-L300 (Lambda) electrostatic headphones with STAX SRM-252S Amplifier ||| beyerdynamic T70 headphones (without pads) ||| Baffle horns equipped with Seas Exotic 8" fullrange units ||| JBL horns with Compression Planar membranes ||| Fountek NeoPro 5i (Special Edition) ribbon tweeters with Compression Planar membranes ||| Audiotek W460S Bullet tweeters ||| Hexagonal subwoofer with 12 pieces Push&Pull coupled Seas Prestige 8" units, 1 item 10" slave unit and built-in XTZ power amplifiers & Cambridge Azur 640A as pre amplifier ||| Yamaha HS-5 active monitors connected to MBL 6010 Pre Amp to all keyboards
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