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Discovery Of The Day On Tyros 4
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As you will know on my Korg Pa700 I have been using my Dual Reverb Setup using Master Effects 1 and 2 and then any additional effects as insert effects.

The other day when I watched the previous Keyboard World Webinar when he was using the Genos 2 he explained that in the global effects Reverb And Chorus that it’s possible to use other effects in the Chorus section.

If you recall my previous posts when trying to replicate my dual reverb on the Tyros 4 I thought that the global reverb and chorus were fixed to reverb and chorus effects.
I was then assigning the second reverb to an insert effect.

Well this is not the case.

Just like the Korg Arrangers technically speaking the global chorus effect can can be assigned to any effect.
So in theory it’s like master effect a / b effect 1 and 2.

Yes the first global reverb effect is fixed but the global chorus is not.

This way my dual reverb can be assigned to the global effects and any additional effects to insert effects.

   

   
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I also noticed this regarding the Chorus effect, which was shown on the previous Keyboard World Webinar - no one has made it so clear before.

The understanding of this is of crucial importance for the achieved result, just like the difference between global and insert effects.

Very few effects adders (regular users) seem to understand this, because it almost always sounds horrible.
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(08-22-2024, 02:11 PM)Chello Wrote: I also noticed this regarding the Chorus effect, which was shown on the previous Keyboard World Webinar - no one has made it so clear before.

The understanding of this is of crucial importance for the achieved result, just like the difference between global and insert effects.

Very few effects adders (regular users) seem to understand this, because it almost always sounds horrible.

Ive recently been using low value DELAY on right hand voices on the DGX with pleasing results.
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(08-22-2024, 04:25 PM)Graham UK Wrote:
(08-22-2024, 02:11 PM)Chello Wrote: I also noticed this regarding the Chorus effect, which was shown on the previous Keyboard World Webinar - no one has made it so clear before.

The understanding of this is of crucial importance for the achieved result, just like the difference between global and insert effects.

Very few effects adders (regular users) seem to understand this, because it almost always sounds horrible.

Ive recently been using low value DELAY on right hand voices on the DGX with pleasing results.


I do the same.
The worst thing you can do is use high values, and my opinion is that even most professionally mixed styles have too high values.

Now it should also be noted that my room is very well acoustically damped, almost like a studio, but still the values are too high.

Precisely because the room is so well dampened, I can play very loudly with my horn speakers without the sound becoming negatively horn-like.

The fact that I use horns is probably part of the explanation for the fact that I am hypersensitive to reverb, because the horns have a natural ambience, which ordinary speakers do not have.
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Aune S6 32 bit DAC - connected through USB Isolator ||| MOTU 32 bit Audio Interface ||| TEYUN Q26 32 bit/384 kb Audio Interface ||| FM Acoustics FM 300A Power amp ||| MBL 6010 Pre Amp ||| STAX SR-L300 (Lambda) electrostatic headphones with STAX SRM-252S Amplifier ||| beyerdynamic T70 headphones (without pads) ||| Baffle horns equipped with Seas Exotic 8" fullrange units ||| JBL horns with Planar membranes ||| Fountek NeoPro 5i (Special Edition) ribbon tweeters with Planar membranes ||| Hexagonal subwoofer with 12 pieces Push&Pull coupled Seas Prestige 8" units, 1 item 10" slave unit and built-in XTZ power amplifiers & Cambridge Azur 640A as pre amplifier ||| Yamaha HS-5 active monitors connected to all keyboards
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So I thought I would put the above in the form of an information / worksheet 

   

And in pdf format 


.pdf   Arrangerkeyboardknowhow1.pdf (Size: 41.65 MB / Downloads: 56)
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Very nice, very tidy and very clear.


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Casio CTK 811-ex ||| Roland EXR-7 76 ||| Yamaha DGX-620 ||| Yamaha PSR-550 ||| Yamaha PSR-S700 ||| Korg Pa800 ||| Korg Pa3X 61 ||| Deebach XMS-Pro ||| Ketron Ajamsonic ||| Casio WK-7500 ||| Yamaha Tyros5 61 ||| vArranger ||| Ketron Audya5 61 ||| Yamaha PSR S950 ||| Solton X8 Chromatic ||| Yamaha Tyros4 10th Anniversary ||| Korg Pa4X 61 ||| Roland BK-7m ||| Technics KN-6000 ||| Technics KN-7000 ||| Roli Seaboard RISE 49 ||| Deebach MAX Plus ||| Yamaha Genos ||| Korg Pa700 ||| Korg Kronos2 73 ||| Tyros4 61 ||| Deebach BlackBox ||| Korg Pa2X Pro ||| Yamaha A3000 ||| Ghenos Plus ||| Medeli AKX10 ||| Korg Nautilus 73 ||| Yamaha DGX-670 ||| Korg Krome EX-88 ||| Korg OASYS 76 Sondius-XG version ||| Korg Pa5X 76 (Pythagoras Tuned) ||| Yamaha Tyros1 ||| Ketron Audya 76 (Own developed OS) ||| Yamaha PSR-3000 ||| Yamaha 9000 Pro ||| Yamaha MODX M8 ||| Korg Grandstage X ||| Roland Juno-D7 ||| Korg Kronos 1 73 (Pythagoras Tuned)

MY PA EQUIPMENT NON-ACTIVE AND ACTIVE
Aune S6 32 bit DAC - connected through USB Isolator ||| MOTU 32 bit Audio Interface ||| TEYUN Q26 32 bit/384 kb Audio Interface ||| FM Acoustics FM 300A Power amp ||| MBL 6010 Pre Amp ||| STAX SR-L300 (Lambda) electrostatic headphones with STAX SRM-252S Amplifier ||| beyerdynamic T70 headphones (without pads) ||| Baffle horns equipped with Seas Exotic 8" fullrange units ||| JBL horns with Planar membranes ||| Fountek NeoPro 5i (Special Edition) ribbon tweeters with Planar membranes ||| Hexagonal subwoofer with 12 pieces Push&Pull coupled Seas Prestige 8" units, 1 item 10" slave unit and built-in XTZ power amplifiers & Cambridge Azur 640A as pre amplifier ||| Yamaha HS-5 active monitors connected to all keyboards
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Thank you
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