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Chello is right - musicalmemoriesuk - 02-25-2026
After working on some keyboard sets on my Pa700 I have to agree the master eq and limiter has a negative affect on the sound.
As mentioned before when creating keyboard sets everything is done dry until the very end.
Instead of reaching to eq sounds making small adjustments to the envelope of the sounds and the cutoff can help.
Do bear in mind that any changes made are only adding to or taking away from the initial sound. But usually small changes make a bit difference
RE: Chello is right - Chello - 02-25-2026
A very interesting conclusion you give here, and it has my full support.
With the Pa5X I have discovered many unknown and unmentioned problems when mixing.
You have discovered the same as me; that Master EQ and Limiter are central when it comes to creating negative effects on the sound.
The best thing to do is to look for the best-functioning sounds, and if necessary adjust the envelope and the cutoff instead of correcting with EQ.
I almost always only use a little EQ for the bass, and use the Drum Editor to give EQ to the drum elements, which can often withstand a strong boost.
Other tracks are rarely given EQ.
My Master EQ is Qui Robinez's, which is very identical to the one I made myself.
Alternatively, the Master EQ should be neutral, and EQ should only be given individually for each style.
Limiter should be left out, because this act as a unifying effect for all effects, and since effects more than anything else follow a logarithmic curve, they can have very different effects at different levels; try changing the volume from 120 to 70, and hear what happens.
Another thing is that EQ and effects also affect polyphony; the more EQ and effects, the more negative the impact on polyphony - it's not just the number of simultaneous sounds that are affected, but also the complexity of the sounds.
The best mix is always the smallest.
RE: Chello is right - musicalmemoriesuk - 02-25-2026
If the sounds aren’t correct dry no matter how much effect you add later won’t fix things.
If you lead sound is thin, layer it with something to give it extra body no panning, also start with the same levels as well. So everything is equal, most importantly start completely dry.
RE: Chello is right - musicalmemoriesuk - 02-27-2026
One thing I have noted is when making quick edit adjustments to the envelope, cut off and resonance is it make the changes in the context of the whole mix, in other word when playing a style. Make only small adjustments of + or - 5 at a time, remember small changes can make differences.
RE: Chello is right - Chello - 02-27-2026
(02-27-2026, 05:17 PM)musicalmemoriesuk Wrote: One thing I have noted is when making quick edit adjustments to the envelope, cut off and resonance is it make the changes in the context of the whole mix, in other word when playing a style. Make only small adjustments of + or - 5 at a time, remember small changes can make differences.
Yes; Cutoff, Resonance (and Attack and Release) are central parameters, which on many arrangers/synths are directly accessible via their own knobs/sliders.
The Juno-D has separate knobs for all of these, which is incredibly useful.