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9000 PRO: HARDWARE FAILURE CONFIRMED - Chello - 12-05-2024
9000 PRO: HARDWARE FAILURE CONFIRMED
After stressing about getting the OS updated and backup installed, no errors were corrected.
After some testing, I can confirm that the problem is due to a hardware failure:
All styles in 8 Beat work, but only these.
ALL styles I copy to Flash Directory 1 work; no matter which ones.
NONE of the styles I copy to the other locations in Flash Directory work, no matter which styles I copy.
All styles in all other locations work as they should, except Ending 3.
Everything can be used as normal, as long as I avoid using Ending 3 and use Ending 1/2 instead.
RE: 9000 PRO: HARDWARE FAILURE CONFIRMED - Graham UK - 12-05-2024
Chello. I apologise as this may not helpful.
Listed Under Factory Styles I have just downloaded 9000Pro Factory & Flash Styles.
It states that these have not been altered but are true Factory.
May give you a chance to compere with your Floppies.
https://yamahamusicians.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=97
RE: 9000 PRO: HARDWARE FAILURE CONFIRMED - titobal - 12-05-2024
Have you tried to defragment the flash memory ? As per page 74 of the reference manual ...
I would delete all the styles from flash rom, then defragment and reload the factory disks using new floppies
RE: 9000 PRO: HARDWARE FAILURE CONFIRMED - Chello - 12-06-2024
(12-05-2024, 05:46 PM)Graham UK Wrote: Chello. I apologise as this may not helpful.
Listed Under Factory Styles I have just downloaded 9000Pro Factory & Flash Styles.
It states that these have not been altered but are true Factory.
May give you a chance to compere with your Floppies.
https://yamahamusicians.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=97
@Graham
I can't help you with this right now, because my original styles are packaged in a format that needs to be unpacked to floppy, and I only have one floppy that works.
But the styles you mention are posted by Gunnar 3 (Gunnar Johnny), who is a very serious person.
He ran the world's largest forum for Technics in his time, and I have used many of his posted styles for Technics, all of which were 100% original.
I would therefore believe that the styles he has posted are genuine.
RE: 9000 PRO: HARDWARE FAILURE CONFIRMED - Chello - 12-06-2024
(12-05-2024, 06:45 PM)titobal Wrote: Have you tried to defragment the flash memory ? As per page 74 of the reference manual ...
I would delete all the styles from flash rom, then defragment and reload the factory disks using new floppies
@titobal
Thanks for the tip - this might work.
RE: 9000 PRO: HARDWARE FAILURE CONFIRMED - Chello - 12-06-2024
(12-06-2024, 12:19 AM)Chello Wrote:(12-05-2024, 06:45 PM)titobal Wrote: Have you tried to defragment the flash memory ? As per page 74 of the reference manual ...
I would delete all the styles from flash rom, then defragment and reload the factory disks using new floppies
@titobal
Thanks for the tip - this might work.
@titobal
I deleted everything in the Flash ROM, defragmented it and reloaded the Factory disks.
I used the floppy that I installed the OS with, because this one is OK: otherwise the process would never have been able to be performed.
Same result as before.
RE: 9000 PRO: HARDWARE FAILURE CONFIRMED - titobal - 12-06-2024
And if you swap a style with the Ending 3 issue with a style among the workng 8 BEAT, does the style once in the 8 BEAT flash slot work ?
Also could you upload a style file with the Ending 3 issue ?
RE: 9000 PRO: HARDWARE FAILURE CONFIRMED - Chello - 12-06-2024
(12-06-2024, 02:29 AM)titobal Wrote: And if you swap a style with the Ending 3 issue with a style among the workng 8 BEAT, does the style once in the 8 BEAT flash slot work ?
Also could you upload a style file with the Ending 3 issue ?
Yes; all styles I swap to the 8BEAT flash slot work.
It is not the styles that are the cause, but a missing or corrupted address in the system, which is located deeper in the structure and cannot be restored by reinstalling the OS or available data disks.
A footswitch solved the problem.
RE: 9000 PRO: HARDWARE FAILURE CONFIRMED - titobal - 12-06-2024
On the other perhaps you could check the hardware of the keyboard using the Test program, info taken from the
service manual, maybe something will raise independantly from the footswitch fix
How to enter the Test Program
[AUTO MODE]
While pressing the [DEMO], [EXIT], and [INTRO A] buttons, turn on the power switch.
[MANUAL MODE]
While pressing the [DEMO], [EXIT], and [INTRO B] buttons, turn on the power switch.
Proceeding through the Test Program
To select the program number, use the [NEXT] and [BACK] buttons.
To start the test, press the [START/STOP] button.
When the test result is OK, the LCD will display "*" before the test name.
When the test result is no good, press the [DEMO] button or [C1] key. The test program will then wait for the next selection.
PSR-9000
No. LCD display Test Functions and Judgment Criteria
1.
001: Version
Displays version for ROM (Main Program, Sub Program, Wave, Style, Parameter)
Displays the flash memory protect state
2.
002:Rom Chk1
Checks ROMs
(MAIN Program ROM, SUB Program ROM, Voice Parameter ROM, Style ROM)
For NG, ROM name is displayed.
3.
003:Ram Chk1
Checks RAMs
For NG, RAM name is displayed.
4.
004:Flash Chk1
Checks flash memorys
For NG, flash memory name is displayed.
5.
005:WaveRomChk1
Checks wave ROM
6.
006:WaveRamChk1
Checks wave RAM
7.
007:SIMM Chk1
Checks SIMM
9.
009:FDD Chk
Insert the floppy disks one by one (2HD and 2DD)
Checks the floppy disk drive unit
10.
010:HDD Chk(IDE)
Checks the hard disk
If the hard disk is not inserted, the display will read "NO HDD".
11.
011:SCSI Chk
Connect the Zip drive at SCSI ID = 5.
Checks SCSI drive
12.
012:Eff1Ram Chk
Checks the SWP30 #1 RAM
Check the C3 note is produced and that there is no distortion.
13.
013:EFF2Ram Chk
Checks the VOP 3 RAM
Check the C3 note is produced and that there is no distortion.
14.
014:Eff3Ram Chk
Checks the SWP 30 #2 RAM
Check the C3 note is produced and that there is no distortion.15.
015:TG1 Chk
Produces the sine wave sequence by changing the sound channels (1ch-64ch) in order from A0 toC6.
Confirm that there is no noise.
After autoscaling is finished, individual keys can be played. (If playing two or more keys simultaneously,
the key pressed first has priority to make a sound.)
When the voice switch is pressed, the tone of the voice will sound.
16.
016:TG2 Chk
Produces the sine wave sequence by changing the sound channels (1ch-64ch) in order from A0 toC6.
Confirm that there is no noise.
After autoscaling is finished, individual keys can be played. (If playing two or more keys simultaneously,
the key pressed first has priority to make a sound.)
When the voice switch is pressed, the tone of the voice will sound.
17.
017:TG3 Chk (Connection)
Produces the 1 kHz sine wave by changing the tone generators LSI.
Confirm that sound is produce at every connection.
18.
018:Pitch Chk
Connect the frequency counter to the PHONES jacks.
Check the frequency and output level.
Frequency: 440 Hz +/- 0.2 Hz
Output level: +5.4 dBm +/-3 dB
19.
019:Output R
Check the output level. (1 kHz)
PHONES(L): less than -50 dBm PHONES®: +7.8 dBm +/-3 dB
AUX OUT(L/L+R): less than -40 dBm AUX OUT®: +19.2 dBm +/-3 dB
LOOP SEND(L/L+R): less than -70 dBm LOOP SENDER ®: +11.3 dBm +/-3 dB
SUB1: less than -50 dBm SUB2: less than -50 dBm
20.
020:Output L
Check the output level. (1 kHz)
PHONES(L): +7.8 dBm +/-3 dB PHONES®: less than -50 dBm
AUX OUT(L/L+R): +19.2 dBm +/-3 dB AUX OUT®: less than -40 dBm
LOOP SEND(L/L+R): +11.3 dBm +/-3 dB LOOP SENDER ® : less than -70 dBm
SUB1: less than -50 dBm SUB2: less than -50 dBm
21.
021:Oputput Sub1
Check the Sub1 output level. (1 kHz)
PHONES(L): less than -65 dBm PHONES®: less than -65 dBm
AUX OUT(L/L+R): less than -70 dBm AUX OUT®: less than -70 dBm
LOOP SEND(L/L+R): less than -70 dBm LOOP SENDER ® : less than -70 dBm
SUB1: -11.3 dm +/-3 dB SUB2: less than -60 dBm
22.
022:Output Sub2
Check the Sub2 output level. (1 kHz)
PHONES(L): less than -65 dBm PHONES®: less than -65 dBm
AUX OUT(L/L+R): less than -70 dBm AUX OUT®: less than -70 dBm
LOOP SEND(L/L+R): less than -70 dBm LOOP SENDER ® : less than -70 dBm
SUB1: less than -60dBm SUB2: -11.3 dm +/-3 dB
29.
029:EQ Low
Check the output level of EQ-low frequency. (65.4 Hz (C1))
PHONES(both L, R): +3.3 dBm +/-3 dB
AUX OUT(both L/L+R, R): +15.8 dBm +/-3 dB
LOOP SEND(both L/L+R, R): +7.1 dBm +/-3 dB
SUB(both 1, 2): +13.8 dBm +/-3 dB
30.
030:EQ Mis
Check the output level of EQ/Mid frequency. (523 Hz (C4))
PHONES(both L, R): +4.6 dBm +/-3 dB
AUX OUT(both L/L+R, R): +16.6 dBm +/-3 dB
LOOP SEND(both L/L+R, R): +8.0 dBm +/-3 dB
SUB(both 1, 2): +14.8 dBm +/-3 dB
31.
031:EQ High
Check the output level of EQ-High frequency. (4186 Hz (C7))
PHONES(both L, R): +3.7 dBm +/-3 dB
AUX OUT(both L/L+R,R): +15.6 dBm +/-3 dB
LOOP SEND(both L/L+R, R): +7.2 dBm +/-3 dB
SUB(both 1, 2): +13.9 dBm +/-3 dB
32.
032:SP MUTE
When the [NEXT/BACK] button is pressed, check that the 1 kHz sine wave tone from the speaker
stops. Press it again and the sound will come back on.
During this test, the external output terminal signal will remain on the entire time.
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33.
033:MUTE
When the [NEXT/BACK] button is pressed, check that the 1 kHz sine wave tone will stop from
excluding the speaker and LOOP SEND(L/L+R), and repress it again, the sound will appear.
If the plug is inserted into LOOP SEND(L/L+R), the tone from speaker will stop.
34.
034:D/A Noise
Check DAC noise.
Press any key on the keyboard. The PIANO will sound at minimum volume.
At this time, confirm that there is no distortion.
35.
035:SW.LED Chk
Check the switches and the LEDs
Press the switch that is displayed on the LCD. When the switch is pressed, a pre-assigned note is
output. (With some switches, the corresponding LED will light up.)
Also check the dial by turning it; the LCD should display "OK". The LCD will display the numbers
from 50 -100 when turning the dial clockwise from the center, and the LCD will display the numbers
from 0 -50 when turning the dial counter-clockwise from the center.
36.
036:All LED On
Check that all panel LEDs are lit.
37.
037:RedLED On
Check that all red panel LEDs are lit.
38.
038:GreenLED On
Check that all green panel LEDs are lit.
43.
043:All LCD On
Check that all LCD dots are on.
44.
044:All LCD Off
Check that all LCD dots are off.
46.
046:Pedal1 Chk
Connect the foot switch into the SWITCH 1 terminal.
Check that the C3 note sound is produced when the pedal is depressed, and that the C4 note sound
is produced when the pedal is released. The test results will appear on the LCD.
47.
047:Pedal2 Chk
Connect the foot switch into the SWITCH 2 terminal.
Check that the C3 note sound is produced when the pedal is depressed, and that the C4 note sound
is produced when the pedal is released. The test results will appear on the LCD.
48.
048:Indv.Out Chk
Check that the LCD displays "OK" when the plugs are inserted into the SUB1 and SUB2 terminals,
and then pull them out.
49.
049:PBWheel Chk
Check that the C3 note sound is produced when the PITCH BEND wheel is at minimum and the C4
note sound is produced when it is at maximum.
50.
050:ModWheelChk
Check that the C3 note sound is produced when the MODULATION wheel is at minimum and the
C4 note sound is produced when it is at maximum.
51.
051:ExpPedal Chk
Connect the foot pedal into the VOLUME terminal.
Check that the C3 note sound is produced when the foot pedal is at minimum and the C4 note sound
is produced when it is at maximum.
52.
052:AfterTouch Chk
Check that the C3 note sound is produced when any key on the keyboard is pressed, and check that
the C4 note sound is produced when the key is released. The test results will appear on the LCD.
53.
053:Midi Chk
After connecting the MIDI IN jack and MIDI OUT jack (both 1 and 2) with a MIDI cable, execute the
test. Set the HOST SELECT switch to MIDI. Check that the C3 and C4 note sounds are produced and the
LCD displays "OK". (MIDI-A: C3, MIDI-B: C4) If there is no output after one second, it is judged NG.
54.
05:To Host Chk
Connect pin 3 to pin 5 and pin 6 to pin 8 of the TO HOST terminal, and execute the test. Check that
the following note sounds when changing the HOST SELECT switch position according to the
LCD; the LCD will display "OK".
PC1: note C3; PC2: note C4; MAC: note C5
55.
055:MIC Chk
Enter the sound into the MIC terminal.
Check that there is no abnormal noise. Check that the output sound is one octave above the harmonizer
when the [BACK]/[NEXT] button is pressed.
57.
057:Rom Chk2
Checks ROMs
58.
058:Ram Chk2
Checks RAMs
59.
059:Flash Chk2
Checks flash memorys
60.
060:WaveROM
Chk2 Checks Wave ROM
61.
061:WaveRam
Chk2 Checks Wave RAM
62.
062:SIMM Ch2
Checks SIMM
65.
065:VideoOut NTSC RED
Using the NTSC signal to check that the red characters are displayed on the video terminal.
67.
067:VideoOut NTSC BLUE
Using the NTSC signal to check that the blue characters are displayed on the video terminal.
68.
068:VideoOut PAL RED
Using the PAL signal to check that the red characters are displayed on the video terminal.
69.
069:ideoOut PAL GREEN
Using the PAL signal to check that the green characters are displayed on the video terminal.
70.
070:VideoOut PAL BLUE
Using the PAL signal to check that the blue characters are displayed on the video terminal.
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71.
071:PC Keyboard Chk
Connect the PC keyboard.
Check that the LCD will displays "OK".
72.
072:Data Ver. Chk
After reading in the system backup disk, check the version for each data in flash memory.
73.
073:Factory Set
All RAMs are initialized and reset to factory setting data when this test is executed.
74.
074:Test Exit
The test program is exited when this test is executed.
Perhaps test number 73 might trigger a better reset
073:Factory Set
All RAMs are initialized and reset to factory setting data when this test is executed.
The following tests might be useful...
001: Version
Displays version for ROM (Main Program, Sub Program, Wave, Style, Parameter)
Displays the flash memory protect state
002:Rom Chk1
Checks ROMs
(MAIN Program ROM, SUB Program ROM, Voice Parameter ROM, Style ROM)
For NG, ROM name is displayed.
003:Ram Chk1
Checks RAMs
For NG, RAM name is displayed.
004:Flash Chk1
Checks flash memorys
For NG, flash memory name is displayed.