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FINALIZER'S VOLUME METER IS UNRELIABLE
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FINALIZER'S VOLUME METER IS UNRELIABLE

The meter shows very wrong values sometimes.
It consistently shows 2 dB too little, and is very difficult to work with, as the sensitivity is poor.

In one case the meter on the Pa5X showed -12dB, while the meter on my foobar player (which is very reliable) showed -5dB - heavy distorted...

It is very frustrating to have to record and then play back on the PC to see what the signal strength actually is.
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DON'T TRUST THE FINALIZER'S LEVEL METER

The fact that I have chosen -20dB as the limit for my edit's overall output level has its background in actual conditions:
Compared to the meter in various programs, the Pa5X shows 2 to 3dB too little for all styles.

When strong transients occur, it shows 6dB too little.

When oversteer occurs, it shows 13dB too little.

I have done several tests where I have overridden the signal and the same thing happens every time.

It is also a fact that several internal styles have an overridden level - many styles have, for example, 127 for several tracks, which suggests that the signal will be overridden.

Therefore, I have chosen -20dB, which is actually -18 to -17dB - in the best case.
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*Aune S6 32 bit DAC *MOTU 32 bit Audio Interface *FM Acoustics FM 300A Power amp (Clone) *MBL 6010 Pre Amp (Clone) *STAX SR-L300 (Lambda) electrostatic headphones with STAX SRM-252S Amplifier *beyerdynamic T70 headphones (without pads) *Jamo Cornet 145 *Quadrophonic speaker system consisting of baffles with horns equipped with Seas Exotic fullrange units (MeloDavid clones) *2 cabinets equipped with 2 pcs 6.5" Seas Excel /1 Seas Prestige 6.5" fullrange/1 pc Fountek NeoPro5i (with Dali DaCapo membrane) *Tweeter horns with Philips unit *Hexagonal subwoofer with 12 pieces Push&Pull coupled Seas Prestige 8" units and built-in XTZ power amplifiers & Cambridge C500 as pre amplifier
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So like a lot of things it’s learn to use and trust your instincts and ears.
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(03-25-2024, 02:10 PM)musicalmemoriesuk Wrote: So like a lot of things it’s learn to use and trust your instincts and ears.


Exactly.
You cannot blindly trust that a product works 100% as it should.

I have worked for many years with all kinds of meters; from old-fashioned VU meters (which are the best) to later meters with LED segments with several display modes.

Many of these have been incorrectly calibrated, and the meter on the Pa5X is no exception.

This should be corrected in a later update.
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KEYBOARDS, SYNTHS & MODULES I HAVE HAD AND HAVE
*Casio CTK 811-ex *Roland EXR-7 76 *Yamaha DGX-620 *Yamaha PSR-550 *Yamaha PSR-S700 *Korg Pa800 *Korg Pa3X 61 *Casio WK-7500 *Yamaha Tyros5 61 *Ketron Audya5 61 *Yamaha PSR S950 *Solton X8 Chromatic *Yamaha Tyros4 10th Anniversary *Korg Pa4X 61 *Roland BK-7m 
*Technics KN-6000 *Technics KN-7000 *Roli Seaboard RISE 49 *Deebach MAX Plus *Yamaha Genos *Korg Pa700 *Korg Kronos2 73 *Tyros4 61 *Ketron Audya 76 *Deebach BlackBox *Korg Pa2X Pro *Yamaha A3000 *Medeli AKX10 *Korg Nautilus 73 *Yamaha DGX-670 *Korg Krome EX-88 *Korg OASYS 76 *Korg Pa5X 76 *Yamaha Tyros1 *Ketron Audya 76

MY PA EQUIPMENT NON-ACTIVE AND ACTIVE
*Aune S6 32 bit DAC *MOTU 32 bit Audio Interface *FM Acoustics FM 300A Power amp (Clone) *MBL 6010 Pre Amp (Clone) *STAX SR-L300 (Lambda) electrostatic headphones with STAX SRM-252S Amplifier *beyerdynamic T70 headphones (without pads) *Jamo Cornet 145 *Quadrophonic speaker system consisting of baffles with horns equipped with Seas Exotic fullrange units (MeloDavid clones) *2 cabinets equipped with 2 pcs 6.5" Seas Excel /1 Seas Prestige 6.5" fullrange/1 pc Fountek NeoPro5i (with Dali DaCapo membrane) *Tweeter horns with Philips unit *Hexagonal subwoofer with 12 pieces Push&Pull coupled Seas Prestige 8" units and built-in XTZ power amplifiers & Cambridge C500 as pre amplifier
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