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Adding or removing a drum beat from the RHYTHM
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Adding or removing a drum beat from the RHYTHM
 
When I played Red River Valley I used the STYLE Country Pop, VARIATION B (from COUNTRY).
 
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If I activate the top of RHY2 I get to see which ‘drum kit’ Yamaha have used for this rhythm (the bottom of RHY2 is for turning the rhythm OFF or ON).  They have used Real Drums.
 
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(RHY1 is on Rock Kit, but only one very quiet beat, which is insignificant).
 
You can listen to just the RHYTHM by pressing the START button.
 
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Then while you are listening you can press some of the other Drum Kits to hear what they sound like.  I have recorded in turn Real Drums (the kit being used in this instance), followed by Real Brushes, House Kit, Break Kit (on Page 2) and Cuban Kit (on Page 3).  Click the below to listen.
 
https://audio.com/hugh-ar/audio/rhythmdemo1
You could replace the Real Drums Kit Yamaha are using with any of those (ie. REVOICE), which would give a completely different sounding STYLE.
 
Listen below to what this STYLE sounds like with these different Rhythm Kits.
 
https://audio.com/hugh-ar/audio/rhythmkitdemo
Getting back to what I started off with .. adding a drum beat to the Rhythm.
 
If you don’t know this already, with the Yamaha PARTS in a STYLE, if you want to put in a repeating pattern of notes of your own, you first have to DELETE the pattern Yamaha put into that PART ie. you cannot ‘add’ to what Yamaha have put in there.  Except for the RHYTHM section.  With RHY1 and RHY2 you can add extra drum beats into the pattern; or DELETE a drum sound you do not want.
 
Listening to the STYLE and the Real Drums in RHY2, on the ‘off beat’ you can hear a single click on a ‘block’.  What I wanted to hear was a ‘double click’ on the block, followed by a single click.
 
Click the below to hear ... first, the drummer doing all ‘single clicks’; followed by what I want him to play .. a double-click followed by a single click.
 
https://audio.com/hugh-ar/audio/rhythmdemo2
To achieve this I shall add an extra click of the block into RHY1.  As I want the ‘block’ sound to be the same, I have changed RHY1’s Rock Kit to Real Drums.
 
With Country Pop Variation B selected as my STYLE, I headed for the STYLE CREATOR page.
 
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When you get to STYLE CREATOR, this is the screen you get by ‘default’.
Note that RHY2 is always the slot for recording into .. something one would never want to do as it would mess up the drum rhythm of the STYLE!
 
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The important thing to make a note of here is the PATTERN LENGTH, in this case 4 bars ... of 4 beats, (4/4).  So when we record anything into any of these PARTS we have to count these bars and beats and don’t play anything at all on the first beat of the 5th bar.
 
As I am adding an extra drum beat into the mix .. in RHY1 .. it is RHY1 I want to record into.  To set this up, hold down the REC CH (top right) and press the RHY1 ON (ie. at the bottom).  This will now change the status of RH1 to REC.
 
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Bearing in mind that all the PARTS will start sounding as soon as I get the recording going, I have switched to OFF all the slots apart from RHY2 and BASS. RHY2 and BASS will help me ‘keep to the beat’, but the others would just be a distraction. 
 
The other thing that will help me ‘keep to the beat’ is the METRONOME, so I shall turn that ON when I am ready to do the recording.
 
But first, I must identify which note is the ‘block’ sound I am wanting to add into the mix .. and you can only do that by playing the notes and listening to the drum sound each one makes.
 
I can see that the VOICE SECTION chosen is PERC. / DRUM KIT, and that it has been set up in RIGHT1.
 
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If you now press the BALANCE button ...
 
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... the PARTS showing on the screen will be replaced by the VOLUME buttons.  The VOLUME in RHY1 was set at about 42, so I have upped RIGHT1 to 65 to be the same volume as RHY2.
 
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Press the EXIT button to get back to the previous screen.  Until we actually set up this RART to RECORD (which I will explain how to do in a minute) we can make any alterations we like to R1, and play any notes we like and they will not ‘record’.  So what I am going to do now is to play every note on my keyboard running from the very bottom note to the very top note so I can hear the drum sounds that have been allocated to each note.  I am trying to identify which one is that ‘block’ .. and listening carefully I reckon it’s C#2
 
Listen to the below to hear for yourself what these drum sounds are.  Remember that these sounds are from the Real Drums kit.  If you had another kit selected the sounds would be different.
 
Click the below to listen.  I have added that C#2 again at the end of this DEMO to confirm that that indeed is the ‘block’ sound I will use for my recording.
 
https://audio.com/hugh-ar/audio/drumsounds
I did say that I would get the METRONOME going to help me ‘keep to the beat’ .. and also to know when the first beat of the bar is.
 
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To start the recording I need to press the START (or get the SYNC START flashing if I want the first note I press to be on the first beat of the bar).
 
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Ready?
 
Listen to the Metronome playing the beats in the bar, and when the Metronome clangs telling you it’s the first beat of the bar, press that START button.  Counting the bars and the beats, play that C#2 note (the ‘block’) where you want to hear it.  As I said earlier, one has to keep going for the ‘measure’ (PATTERN LENGTH) of the STYLE, which in this case is 4 bars of four beats. Do not play anything on the first beat of the 5th bar.  When you get to the end of the ‘measure’, what you have recorded will ‘loop’ round and round so you can listen to it and decide if you are happy with what you have recorded.
 
**Please Note**: You do not STOP the recording at the end of the ‘measure’ (pattern length).  You just let it do it’s own thing and run round in ‘loops’.
 
Obviously you do have to STOP it at some point (after it has looped round a few times and you have listened to it) and you do that by pressing that START/STOP button again. And you press it at nowhere in particular ie. it doesn’t have to be spot on at the end of the ‘measure’.  Just stop it ‘looping’ round at some point.
 
When I put those drum beats in, although my sense of rhythm is fairly good, even I could hear that I didn’t get the timing quite right for that stick hitting the block. A drummer would have got the timing right .. but I am not a drummer.
 
But no worries, as the keyboard will get those ‘block’ sounds in the right place for me.  This is what QUANTIZE does.  Gets the notes ‘spot on’ for you.
 
Moving across to the CHANNEL page I have used the note length they have suggested (the SIZE of the note) and clicked EXECUTE.  You can listen to the result of this just by pressing that START button again (and press the START button yet again to STOP it), and if you don’t like it you can click UNDO .. which appears where the word EXECUTE was.
 
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Click the below to listen to the difference between the double-block sound before and after Quantize was applied.  The difference is very subtle, but it certainly sounds more like a real drummer would have played it.
 
https://audio.com/hugh-ar/audio/doubleblockquantized
Finally, we need to SAVE what we have done and give it a name.  I have called my new STYLE with the double-click CountryPop2.
 
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And this is what Red River Valley sounds like with my CountryPop2 STYLE.
 
https://audio.com/hugh-ar/audio/redriver...oubleblock
I do appreciate that if you have never tried using STYLE CREATOR before then all this might seem like a mammoth task. I can assure you that once you have got the hang of what you have to do it only takes a couple of minutes to do something like this.  At the end of the day all I was putting in were four single clicks over 4 bars.
 
And equally, I do understand if you are the sort of person who just wants to ‘plug in and play’ your keyboard so prefer to find a ‘bespoke’ Style for your song and use that. Playing about with STYLE CREATOR wouldn’t be of interest to you. But at the end of the day, our keyboards are very sophisticated bits of kit and you are paying for all the technology to be able to do things like this.
 
Hugh
 
More to follow .. on how to REMOVE a drum sound you don’t want to hear in the mix.
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Removing a DRUM sound from the Rhythm

When you are listening to the Rhythm in a STYLE do you find that sometimes there is just one drum sound that eventually gets to you? Like a Rim Shot which seems to go on and on bar after bar. As explained above, there are a couple of things you can do with a Rhythm PART which you 
can't do with any of the other PARTS (ie. BASS, CHORD 1, CHORD 2, PAD, PHRASE 1, PHRASE 2). With all those other PARTS you can switch them OFF (ie. MUTE them); and you can alter their VOLUMES to get a better 'balance' between the PARTS .. but you can't remove individual notes in them or add any extra notes into them.
 
But with the RHYTHM you can add another drum/percussion instrument (eg. a hi-hat) into the drum mix (I have already explained how to add another drum beat into the mix); or REMOVE a drum sound you don't want to hear .. which is what I want to deal with here.
 
First, select the STYLE and VARIATION you want to deal with. In this explanation I will choose OrchRockBallad VARIATION A, from Pop&Rock.

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Press the START/STOP to hear what this Rhythm sounds like.
 
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It's this START/STOP button that you use all the time when EDITING, ADJUSTING and RECORDING your own STYLES. This is a 'toggle' switch. Press it once to start everything going; and press it again to stop everything sounding.

Click the below to listen to the Rhythm from OrchRockBallad, Variation A.
 
https://audio.com/hugh-ar/audio/orchrockballad1
What we shall do now is to REMOVE that 'off beat' drum beat. I'm not saying that you would want to do that for this particular Rhythm, but you can try it on this Rhythm to see how it's done. 
 
Please note that whenever you EDIT a STYLE in any way you are only making changes to a "Copy" of the STYLE. All the original STYLES and VOICES remain as when you bought the keyboard. 
 
So when we make changes, we have to SAVE what we have done as a USER STYLE.
 
Get to the STYLE CREATOR screen (MENU, STYLE CREATOR) and you will have OrchRockBallad at the top; the ‘default’ will be to REC in RHY2.
 
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This is where we want to be, so leave it like that.  Turn to OFF all the PARTS apart from RHY1 and RHY2.  This isn't deleting them, it's just turning them OFF so that we can't hear them. Your screen should now look like this.
 
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Now press that START/STOP button again and you should hear that drum pattern as before, but this time from within the STYLE CREATOR program. If you hadn't turned those other PARTS to OFF then you would have heard all the other PARTS as well as the drums. Press that button again to STOP the drums going.
 
Have you taken on board the sound of that one drum we are wanting to remove?  If not press the START/STOP again. You can START/STOP the drum pattern in the STYLE and listen to it as often as you like .. but .. do not play any drum notes on the keyboard while you are listening to the rhythm from the STYLE. If you do play any notes, then because RHY 2 is on REC these rhythm sounds will be recorded into the mix.

We now need to identify which note corresponds to that drum beat we are trying to remove.  The keyboard has automatically selected the VOICE PERC./DRUM KIT (you can see the green light is on over to the right; and RIGHT1 has been selected to play the drum notes).

 
As you did for ‘adding a drum beat to the mix’ at the beginning of this topic, start bottom left of the keyboard and work your way up, pressing every white and black note on the way, listening for which drum sound corresponds to the one we want to remove.  Every note you play gives you a different drum sound.
 
Below is a recording of all those sounds from bottom to top. You have already heard all these, but this time I have added to the end the drum sound I reckon we are looking for .. D2.
 
https://audio.com/hugh-ar/audio/drumsounds2

OK. Now we have identified the drum sound we want to delete as D2, how do we set about deleting it from the drum mix? Easy! See that tab on the left of the screen that says RHY CLEARYou press that.

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Really?  You would have thought that RHY CLEAR meant "Clear the Rhythm" ie. get rid of the Rhythm .. and maybe you were a bit hesitant to press that button. But that isn't what it means. It means "get rid of the rhythm sound from a note being pressed".

The button is a 
press and hold button ie. once you press it, keep it pressed .. and on the screen it tells you what you have to do. See the screenshot below:

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So that is exactly what we do. Keep that button pressed and press D2. Then release both. That drum sound you didn't want to hear has now been removed from the Rhythm 'mix'.

We now have to SAVE this STYLE that doesn’t have a drum sound on the ‘off beat’, so tab across to another page (eg. CHANNEL .. but don’t do a QUANTIZE!), click SAVE, and give it a name.

 
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I have just added a '2' to the original Style Name, so I get OrchRockBallad2.

To hear the result of our efforts, click the below.  First, the drum beat ‘as was’; followed by the removal of the drum on the ‘off beat’.
 
https://audio.com/hugh-ar/audio/orchrockballad2

I would like to point out that when we set up STYLE CREATOR we were in MAIN VARIATION A. So this drum sound we have removed has only been done for MAIN A. If you wanted to do that with the whole STYLE you'd have to do the same to MAIN B, C and D; and all three INTROS; and all three ENDINGS. Not worth the effort! I agree! I think I would only make an adjustment to one of the STYLE VARIATIONS that I was using for something (probably VARIATION B or C) .. and call it a day.

Hugh
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Have you used the style creator on the Tyros 4 for combining different style parts to create a new style ?
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No, not as yet.  I have been concentrating on adding bits and pieces into existing STYLES to get what I want to hear from a STYLE.  I shall shortly be putting up a topic on changing the BASS PART in a STYLE so I get what I want to hear from the BASS player.  Having sung bass in a choir and played in a band, I just have in my head what I want the bass for a particular song to sound like .. and that is seldom what Yamaha give me.

To be honest, when listening to a STYLE I can often hear what is lacking in a Style for a particular song I want to play .. so change/put in whatever it is I want to hear.  I would find it difficult to listen to several STYLES and come to the conclusion that if I put together eg. CHORD 1 from one Style with CHORD 2 from another, and then add in eg. PHRASE 1 from a third .. yes, I would have created a New Style .. but what would I use it for?

I will look into it and start a NEW THREAD as this one is specifically about the RHYTHM section of a STYLE.

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